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Friday, July 10, 2009

Rantiness... It's like Truthiness

 *edit - I wrote this yesterday.  It's true of the time I wrote it, but the vim and vigor aren't here anymore.

In theory, I really like the idea of a super libertarianism in which we all work on our own, individually, without intervention, but it's
a) completely antithetical to Christianity (a lot of the libertarians I know call themselves Christians)
b) impossible
c) contradictory to progress in any form

We have two political parties, and for anyone to think that one is Big G and one is small g is also ludicrous.  People have this crazy instinct called self-preservation.  Politicians, dear creatures that they are, are no different.  They want to stay in office.  And reducing the size of government might cost them their jobs, or at least a pay cut, so none of that.  So... how do the United States's two main political parties break down?

There are some cool "conservatives" out there who are really libertarians - they want no intervention, no programs, no nothing.  Fine.  But this includes no intervention in my social rights either.  So see above.

Ah, now down to the real two.

There are traditional Democrats - "let's make it look like we're redistributing the wealth, giving money to highly bureaucratized welfare systems and stuffing half of it down our pants in the process.  We believe in women's reproductive rights and social liberties in general.  We like fringe issues and have trouble deciding our stance on defense spending - it depends on whether our constituents see babies or seals being killed."

And traditional Republicans - "no money to baby-killing but yes to killing convicted criminals.  We think you should have all the rights you want to your own money, except for the money we need for military spending.  Oh, and if you're a corporation, we'll give you tax loopholes out the ass while everybody else has to pay for you to pollute the air and drinking water.  But that's okay, because the Free Market will eventually get rid of the bad companies that do this.  No civil liberties, because God doesn't like them."

Democrats want to control your morality by forcing you what TO DO with your money.
Republicans want to control your morality by telling you what NOT to do. Period.

... I find myself discussing the idea of America as a Christian Nation (despite Thomas Paine and Constitutional freedom of religion) and claims by many that the deChristianification of our nation is leading to an imperfect Democracy (wasn't it really a republic anyway?), Capitalism, and taking away our other Freedoms?

... And another question.  According to most Christians, isn't FREE WILL where sin came from?  Wasn't the Fall, when the binary of good versus evil became apparent, a bad thing? So... wouldn't this Freedom be a bad thing?  Should we be submitting to the will of God (and who interprets what that is? Don't tell me there's only one way to read the Bible) or embracing Freedom in America?  I don't really get how the two can coexist as written.
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deChristianification is a funny term. Are people saying America used to be more Christian? Holy crap. Well, that may be so if those people believe as I do that anyone claiming publicly to be one is not one. Rewards here on earth and all that. But I am jaded. I live in a town where most vanity plates and large car/truck stickers are "look at how holy I am" deals.

You may not have meant it, but maybe you did. Your breakdown of the political parties is hilarious! When I get frustrated with them both, I often think those things.

I just read of my first Baha'i last night. Rainn Wilson. And it reminded me why it is great to have separation of church and state. Not that there is anything wrong with Baha'i. It is quite beautiful and should be permitted to prosper here along with Islam and Judaism and wouldn't we be lucky to have more Jains in the joint? And the oldest of them all, Hinduism, such a honor to have the freedom to let all of these things prosper and more. And agnostics and atheists. They should be running everything. It would be so fair! I think it is a conflict of interest to have a religious President anyway. Sounds outlandish but it would work (probably already has).

There was some attempt to close a divide in America after the election. Both. Obama's and Bush's second term. Bush's came from the politicians as sound bites and Obama's came from grass roots peeps who really wanted to make a better country WITH everyone. Might have been a touch disingenuous on the former and pie-eyed on the latter.

I am very curious about how the republican party is going to extricate itself from the Christians. And kind of curious if Christians will form another party. It does seem like that is coming.
Posted 7/10/2009 1:00 PM by Boowasborn Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Politics and religion can make a very strange combination. American politics by itself is a very strange concoction. Add religion to the mix and you have a very complicated recipe that almost not be separated. I'm Libertarian-leaning registered Republican but by giving me those two titles, that really doesn't begin to outline my political beliefs. Labels can be extremely dangerous as they allow people to take a whole and boil it down to just a few choice words.
Posted 7/10/2009 1:28 PM by TheCheshireGrins Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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I don't understand.  How is being a libertarian un Christian?  I thought libertarian was a person who believes in individual free will and no coercion from another person/gov. [http://www.laissez-fairerepublic.com/LIBERTAR.htm].  Christians as a whole believe in free will and well God isn't a person/gov.  From what I've been told - there is no pre-ordained destinies, that is where free will comes in - we can follow whatever path we want, just as long as we turn to God along the way.  I did always think it a rip off that someone could purposely "turn down the road of the devil" for all their lives and then at the time of death, meaningfully repent and ask forgiveness and go to atleast purgatory.  In anycase this is how it was explained to me - God isn't a tyrant to say this is how it is and you do what I say and it doesn't matter if it's fair or not but instead gives us the option to go to him as an advisor to our life since he knows all and sees all, etc.


I don't know much about government and parties.  I do know that my father's family and those that own the company I work for are repbulican.  I know that I chose democrat just so I could vote the pre-votes otherwise I'd be an "individual".  Liberal.  I don't know how liberal I am either.  I do know that there are things I agree with / things I don't, things I believe in / things I don't - if its one or the other I doubt it.  I find it more appaling that our government sets such lines of destinction and then try to place them on the rest of the world.


I also don't know where your rant came from; since others caught on that its an actual issue between politics and religion besides just a person rant - I'm guess something happened in the news and I should go find it.


*hugs* can we do anything but change ourselves? if others wish to listen and change as well, so be it.  As for mass groups - well I don't give up hope.

Posted 7/11/2009 10:12 AM by sky_light_eyes - reply

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Just wanted to let you know that my absence of comment on this had nothing to do with whether or not you've been commenting on my stuff. I did read it.


Sometimes God tells me to remain silent regarding certain things.

Posted 7/11/2009 8:49 PM by SwordAndSacrifice Xanga True Member - reply

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Hey there, just got a chance to read this blog (after I read your most recent blog) and it does really feel like we have a damned if you do, damned if you don't system. Both major political parties are in favor of big government, the difference is just who gets the trickle down. One of the commenters on my post talked about how the founding fathers were thinking more "Christendom" than "Christian", which I thought was a really nice point and very insightful. It is complicated, though. You see why I've decided on Reverse Evangelism!

Have a great rest of the weekend!
Posted 7/12/2009 3:02 PM by miss_order Xanga Premium Member - reply

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I enjoyed this blog.


I do feel that at one time America was "more Christian" or at least in a morally influenced sense of the word. Let me explain. Take the 1950's for example - a great time to be alive (if you were not Communist, African American or a knocked-up 16 year old Catholic school girl). Most of America's "church" influence came from such liturgical faiths - Lutherans, Episcopalians and high Methodists. These were all denominations that believed in Christianity but not an extreme literal type. "Yes, the Bible mentions some fairly far fetched events but in the end we read the Spirit of the book and not the letter."


Fast forward 20 years to the late 70's. The high churches mentioned above have been losing their influence on a generation that is fed up with traditional values. Abortion, drugs and the ever popular Vietnam war are major issues of the day. The world (and it was turbulent in the 60's and 70's) seems to be falling apart. America, once the epitome of morality, hard work and happy families is now one of political corruption, hippies and protest violence. In step the Fundamentalist Churches that have ruled the "faith scene" and politics for the last 8 years. Today's Christianity, at least in America, is one of narrow views. The Letter of the Law is more important than the Spirit. Science and History are ignored in order to accomodate the literal view of scripture. Abortion clinics are blown up all in the name of saving lives while in the same day the devout rush to execute a convict for his "sins." Gays and Lesbians are accosted and condemned at every corner. Rather than express compassion and care for AIDS patients, voices arrogantly pronounce judgment on behalf of God. Politicians run to and fro affirming the sanctity of "traditional" marriage are then found to be defiling the "marriage bed." 


 The voice of moral Christiantiy may be screaming louder than ever but it's influence is dying. The very literalists who sought to impose God's Kingdom on earth are in fact swaying more Americans to reject faith in its traditional form. A political party once agent to such giants as Abraham Lincoln sits in absolute denial about it's past and confused regarding the future.


If America does not abandon the fundamentalist Christian zealots we will one day resemble Afghanistan - a nation screwed time and again by ignorant religious nuts - impoverished, uneducated and backwards.

Posted 7/12/2009 8:34 PM by Beesley79 - reply

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No problem, Rob. Follow your heart
Posted 7/12/2009 10:57 PM by BoureeMusique Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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My heart tells me that an Atheist named Akbar (the great) made an empire out of the Indian sub-continent at a time when Christian Europe was riven with factional conflict. Take form that what you will.
Posted 7/13/2009 10:30 AM by douglasg610 - reply


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